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Monday, 13 July 2015

And If You Know the History


These songs are for our friend Erik who is currently witnessing his history being expunged in a manner worthy of North Korea

http://www.glasgowsgrandoleopry.co.uk/trilogy.htm

Dwight Yoakam - South of Cincinnati

Steve Earle - Ben McCulloch

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  1. My favourite Dwight song, killer lines, all-round brilliance "he lies there drunk but it don't matter drunk or sober" etc

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  2. What a stupid statement to make. You don't know anything about the issues, do you? Have you studied anything at all about the brutal oppression experienced by African-Americans in the South? Do you have any idea what that flag represents to them? North Korea? Why don't you stick to your own politics rather than shooting your gob off at the first opportunity just to hear the sound of your own voice or to impress your "friends."

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    1. Anon - thought we all had a right to our opinions? No? Oh well.

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  3. Sorry, CC, I think my mum just left a message for you above.

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  4. I can't let this go by without saying thanks Charity and I want to make it clear that I did not arrange for the shrieking ANON comment...just to have my point so perfectly illustrated.

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  5. Got to say I wasn't aware that public opinion and democratic process was at work in changing laws or societal acceptance in North Korea. The greatest failing of the United States is lack of education and the ignorance it brings. I will fight for my fellow citizen's right to their opinion and to expound on that opinion, but if it's not based in fact or is based on misinformation or misunderstanding, or it stems from bigotry or hatred, it can't hold much weight.

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    1. I'll leave it to those who have read my blog to determine whether or not I'm bigoted or ignorant. South Carolina voted and that's their business but if trying to slip in a ban on Confederate imagery (a ban on expression) at fed run battlefields, even at Confederate grave sites (maybe there'll be a vote to dig up and remove Confederate dead) is the democratic process than it just shows how depraved democracy can be.
      There has been a lot of hatred and bigotry about I'll agree with you there and as always it's been unsightly.

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    2. None of my comment - especially the reference to bigotry or hatred - was directed specifically at the comments here, although I just don't see the comparison to North Korea. I can say I have a hard time understanding how any positives surrounding the Confederate battle flag outweigh the negatives it creates or is used to represent. I'm well aware, and glad for it, that there are educated and well thought out opinions on both sides of any debate on the merits or demerits of the Confederate battle flag flying over public spaces. I live less than 5 miles from the largest flying Confederate battle flag being flown in Florida (and possibly the country) just outside of Tampa, Florida. It sits on private land, but it sits just off of a major Interstate Highway proving some sort of point by it's owner, which is lost on my New York City sensibilities. It has the ability, as a symbol, to be aggressive and truculent. Moving to Florida, 10 years ago, and arriving by car on that Interstate, I have to say it was a difficult spectacle and took quite a lot away from any welcome I felt that first day. I would never feel right about dismissing the bravery and honor of anyone who fought for the South in our Civil War, but to diminish the fact that it was a war over the economy of slavery is to really rewrite history. The USA is a country that still took 100 years after the end of the Civil War to enact laws and reforms to treat everyone of every color and creed equally. I'm just hoping another 50 years on from that momentous era, we aren't falling back on old prejudices and bad feelings towards each other.

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    3. I appreciate your reasonable response but, it demonstrates the misunderstanding between our sensibilities. The flag in Florida is there for a point and you got it. I was born in North Florida and my family has straddled the border there with Georgia for over 200 years. I could never live in Florida now because of the sensibilities of New Yorkers and New Jersians and Nutmeggers. These are the same sensibilities that tried to move the capital from Tallahassee because it was just a redneck town in N Florida (though we did get an annual parade out of it).
      The "economy of Slavery" is a good term and I don't who here is supposed to be rewriting history. Maybe it's them that think invoking spectre of slavery excuses invading sovereign states who went through the Holy democratic process to assert their independence...excuses the wanton and deliberate tactical destruction of "people"...the talk of killing every man woman and child, the talk repopulating, burning Universities and libraries less than a week before the wars end. The "economy of Slavery"...see Henry Clay and the American System...see the Federal coffers in 1863.
      Slavery also excuses a brutal occupation that radically racialized politics in The South in a further effort to "make the Northern view the American view"..of course, "Reconstruction" has been written out of history. In your response, which again is very conversational and reasoned, there is a connection between racial equality and the war...using it as a marker on the timeline. That's nonsense...these people wanted "free white land" and a "nation" free of cotton, tobacco and "niggers"...and Indians. The same men , Sherman, Grant, Sheridan, used the same tactics to greater effect on the plains.
      All this bullshit after a lone unaffiliated lunatic shots up a church (we lost a communicant in that shooting and there aren't very many of us) is pure political cynicism...defacing monuments, burning flags, equating The Confederacy with Nazis, trying to ban Confederate imagery on the battlefields in The South (it was an invasion after all).
      As for division...some of those are real. They haven't gone anywhere. I have no personal animosity against individuals anywhere but I'm not an American in any meaningful sense. I'm a Southerner and I was minding my own business three weeks ago...with no idea that Hitler was driving the General Lee through Hazard County.
      You got family that fought in the war Echo?

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  6. Well done Mr CCM. And you thought you were just posting a couple of songs by mutual heroes Steve and Dwight. (We'll always have Manchester Apollo 1994 and Rock City Nottingham!!)

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